Day 3

Everyone thinks

the key to podcast growth is

famous guests. 


And that’s true

But…..
there’s something that matters way more than that. 

Take 2 famous people- 

the youtuber 
James Hoffman 

and 

the author
Brandon Sanderson:


So ….

Brandon Sanderson is roughly

7 times more famous

than James Hoffman. 


But

look at what happened when they went on

Ali Abdaal’s podcast…



vs. when he started to figure out sizing a bit more:

James got
10x
the views. 


Why? 



Ali Abdaal’s audience

is interested in

business, and

growing a YouTube channel. 


They’re not that
interested in writing 1000 page novels. 

Venn diagram overlap

matters more than fame.


(*and by the way - throwback to day 1 of the course - the James Hoffman thumbnail has something that the Brandon Sanderson thumbnail doesn’t…)

Tomorrow -

how to make a thumbnail for a guest who isn’t famous